Re: Ultrafine Clear Film

From: Editor P.O.V. Image Service ^lt;[email protected]>
Date: 04/22/04-05:44:11 PM Z
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Kerik wrote:

>> If you are using the OEM 1280 inks, I wouldn't be expecting too
>> much.. You need to lay down a HELL of a lot of those dyes to get any
>> significant density and the driver really doesn't do that very well..
>> I'd go to pigments.
> I disagree. You can go to pigments, but I've printed pigment ink negs
> on a 2000P and have not been satisified with them.

Not surprised...

The 2000P was a dog of a printer the day it came out, a good number of
EPSON's own external consultants advised against releasing it.. as it
wasn't "ready for prime-time."

There are several factors in the 2000P with OEM inks that advocate
against using it in this way:

1) 7 picoliter minimum droplet size - that's nearly double even the 4
picoliters of a 1270/1280. Even the 1160 with a 6 picoliter droplet
size and OEM dye-based inks will show clumping in areas of dense ink
coverage. Much moreso and EPSON 2000P with 7 picoliter drops and pigments.

2) The 2000P inks are highly metameric making exposure less
predictable and less linear.

3) Related to #2 above, the epoxy resin capsule of the 2000P inks is
much larger than that of current inksets. That capsule will case
excessive refraction.

> I've been getting great results with the 1280 printer and OEM inks
> using Pictorico OHP.

That's very possible..

> I'm making green-colorized digital negs (a la Keith Schreiber at APIS
> 2003) that print beautifully in pt/pd and gum. They look very thin,
> but the greenish color gives plenty of spectral density for UV processes.

Makes sense.. But, assuming all other factors are held equal, the
ability to created negatives with a higher dMax is always a positive
thing, even if it only gives increased tonal range..

> I find these work MUCH better than than orange colored negs, BTW.

Good to know..

> Bottom line, if you print the right color, you don't have to lay down
> a hell of a lot of ink.

well, I'd say it also helps to compare apples to apples.. Comparing a
2000P to even a 1280 or 1270 will almost surely result in a win for the
1270/1280.. ESPECIALLY if you toss MIS Quads (for B&W) [Loris is using
the MIS FS and Piezotone Seleniums] - the newest UT2 inkset is awesome,
or the latest technology MIS Glossy Pigments or MediaStreet G-Chromes
(for color - assuming you aren't doing separations) into the 1280/1270.
I'd say the 2200 or R800 with OEM inks would likely do a great job as well..

The bottom line is that it's always best to understand the strengths and
weaknesses of all your tools before you choose the ones to use..

Keith Krebs
"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
Received on Thu Apr 22 17:46:56 2004

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