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"Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers

On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 09:12:53PM +0000, John Curran wrote:
> On Feb 5, 2011, at 2:33 PM, bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
> >    decides current policy.  when current policy directly contridicts the policies
> >    under which old address space was allocated, which policy trumps?
> Bill -
>      RFC 2050 is the document which  provides the registry system framework.  Jon Postel is an author of same, as well as a founder of ARIN.

	yup.. i was there when it was written.  what is not clear in that RFC is the status and
	effect of RFC 2050 (and subsiquent policy built on that foundation) on allocations made
	-prior- to RFC 2050.  
	telling text is here:
	"This document describes the IP assignment policies currently used by
   	the Regional Registries to implement the guidelines developed by the

	It does not talk to address space allocated to entities from the IANA or other
	registries prior to the RIRs existance.  
	oddly enough, the year prior to RFC 2050 being published, jon asked me to run
	a specialized address registry for things like exchange points.  that service
	matched the subject of this thread... we didn't own any infrastrucuture, but 
	we provided (and successors still provide) neutral address management services 
	to those who wish it.   it took the RIR system a few years to catch up and provide 
	a similar service.  

>     We've adhered to these principles from RFC 2050 in address management without exception, and even in policy development today.

	a firm foundation on which to build.

>     When you speak of the policies of
> old allocations, please be specific.  If they predated Jon, that would indeed be quite interesting.

	well - jon did point out the butcher-paper agreement, signed by all the grad students,
	agreeing that jon was the address maven... so anything pre-dating jon would be a trick.
	(the actual document is in the postel archives ... if you are interested...)

	i beleive i have produced for ARIN a letter from SRI to me - indicating that certain
	address blocks were given to me to use.  No reference to an entity other than me, no
	claim for compliance with "justified need" or "acceptable-use", no indication that any 
	subsiquant policy would be binding in the future.  Pretty much, "we are sorry that you
	were forced to renumber 'cause we messed up w/ the -connected/unconneted- databases -
	please take these blocks as a token of our consideration..."   Doesn't sound like RFC 2050 
	fodder to me.  

	This type of letter flies in the face of current policy; allocations to legal entities
	that are not natural persons, justified need, requirements to periodically check in and
	re-affirm usage & compliance....  I just think that there are going to be turbulent
	waters when the ARIN community pushes to hard to force these folk into their (narrow)
	framework of acceptable use.   I wish it was not so - but I am persuaded that it will
	be inevitable - given the current course of events.

> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO