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"Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers

On Feb 5, 2011, at 8:40 PM, bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 09:12:53PM +0000, John Curran wrote:
>>     RFC 2050 is the document which  provides the registry system framework.  Jon Postel is an author of same, as well as a founder of ARIN.
>   yup.. i was there when it was written.

Excellent; it could prove helpful in clarifying things.

>    It does not talk to address space allocated to entities from the IANA or other
>    registries prior to the RIRs existance.  

Is it your belief that Jon did not intend RFC 2050 to apply to the existing 
allocations maintained by the three regional registries in existence at the
time (InterNIC, RIPE NCC and APNIC)?

I imagine that is plausible, but it would run contrary to the language which
states that assignments should be viewed as loans and "to this end, ISPs should 
have documented justification available for each assignment.  The regional registry 
may, at any time, ask for this information.  If the information is not available, 
future allocations may be impacted. In extreme cases, existing loans may be impacted."
I'm having trouble understanding how *existing* allocations could be impacted 
if existing registry allocations were not covered.  Or are you suggesting that 
RFC 2050 applies, but there is a select set of ISP allocations that were outside 
of InterNIC, APNIC, and RIPE NCC to which special handling is applied?

Further, RFC 2050 states "The transfer of IP addresses from one party to another 
must be approved by the regional registries.  The party trying to obtain the IP 
address must meet the same criteria as if they were requesting an IP address 
directly from the IR."  Even one were to hypothecate some type of address space  
that could be the *source* of a transfer due to a mystical handling status, how 
could any party be the *recipient* of such without demonstrating need to one of 
the regional registries per the second referenced text?  Is this also a case 
where it was meant to exclude some special parties but just did not get stated 
in the actual RFC 2050 text?


John Curran
President and CEO