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I THINK WE UNDERSTAND TURF WARS WITHIN THE US GOV
RUDIMENTARY

do you understand the privitization of the security state?

do you know who the fuck barrett brown is - waht about jeremy hammond?




On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 4:03 PM, z9wahqvh <[email protected]> wrote:

> as long as we have our tinfoil hats on, one data point to keep in mind
> here is to remember that USGov, despite having many uniform policies, is
> also shot through with warring fiefdoms and turfs.
>
> Snowden and Michael Hayden both have the odd career path CIA - NSA. To say
> that is unusual is to make an enormous understatement. we are usually told,
> "once CIA, always CIA." you can't "quit." and there are hundreds of stories
> over 50+ years of history to suggest this.
>
> CIA and NSA have often been thought not to be on the same page, largely
> because NSA is military and CIA is civilian (or whatever special/uber
> designation it has at this point). CIA sees itself as entitled to operate
> much *more* lawlessly than NSA.
>
> it is not hard to imagine scenarios where CIA might want to weaken NSA
> capabilities in part via public embarrassment. and one involved in the plot
> could even go public with his statements about how damaging the leaks are.
> convenient!
>
> our noble leaker(s) would not even necessarily need to know how it was
> possible to grab so much information without being stopped/noticed.
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Seth <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:16:21 -0800, Jason Richards <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I'll bite: why? What benefit does the US govt get from the
>>>>> information leaked by Snowden?
>>>>>
>>>>
>> The way this question is worded frames the debate to an extent. To me,
>> using the phrase 'the US Govt' implies a monolithic entity with coherent
>> motives.
>>
>> It does not leave room for explanations involving fedgov internecine
>> info-warfare for example.
>>
>>  So the US government seems to have said "we do things you don't want us
>>> to, but if you use proven, open source crypto you're reasonably
>>> secure." The only benefit I can see would be if they could break that
>>> crypto and wanted people to have a false sense of security by using
>>> that easily broken crypto.
>>>
>>> My tinfoil hat isn't that thick. I don't buy it. So what are the other
>>> benefits?
>>>
>>
>> Just throwing some ideas out:
>>
>> * Terrorize disenfranchised members of the population into the
>> cyber-fetal position. Self-censor accordingly and don't get too uppity,
>> submitizen!
>>
>> * Make it clear for any potential rivals to deep state power who 'didn't
>> get the memo' that their every move is being watched, cataloged, recorded
>> and stored in perpetuity.
>>
>> * Frame the debate. Never ask the fundamental question of whether the
>> surveillance state should exist or not. Keep the discussion focused on 'how
>> much' surveillance.
>>
>> * Throw up a fog of dis-information consisting of yesterdays obsolete
>> capabilities, which by themselves are enough to stun even the tinfoil hat
>> brigade. Mobilize interesting targets into adopting defenses against the
>> obsolete attacks, until they think they are safe and can let their hair
>> down again. Immediately begin harvesting juicy new intel via unrevealed
>> nextgen attacks.
>>
>> * Inflict political pain on rival agencies and political enemies
>>
>> Anyone else?
>>
>> Let the paranoia flow...
>>
>
>


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