Re: Arches Bright White [was Many Thanks...]

From: Tom Sobota ^lt;[email protected]>
Date: 11/03/05-01:24:36 PM Z
Message-id: <6.2.1.2.0.20051103195700.03166e70@pop3.teleline.es>

Katharine,

thanks for this information. I suspected as much when I could only find
references to this paper in USA or Canadian sites.
Of course now the question that arises is: why all this? Are the rest of
the world acuarelists more traditional or conservative in their paper
tastes than their USA and Canada colleagues?

But then Fabriano _does_ include their Artistico Extra White in their
catalog (http://www.cartierefabriano.it/) so it seems that they don't
consider a very white paper to be something to be ashamed of :-)

Funny that the paper makers should be doing the old detergent routine: my
paper is whiter than yours ...

Tom

At 11:49 03/11/2005, you wrote:
>Okay, here's what I've been able to learn, from someone who is very
>knowledgeable about paper:
>
>The Arches bright white is definitely an Arches watercolor paper and
>comes from the Arches factory exactly as it is sold. It is apparently
>marketed only in North America, and perhaps the reason the Arches site
>doesn't acknowledge its existence is because they'd rather not admit to
>their European and UK customers that they are making papers that are
>only available elsewhere.
>
>I asked him about the secondhand suggestion on handprint about the
>bright white papers possibly changing color or deteriorating; he said he
>would not be at all concerned about the Arches bright white paper as far
>as longevity and maintaining its white color; it doesn't contain any
>optical brighteners or bleaches and he's not aware of any problem with
>the paper. He When comparing it to Fabriano Extra White, he said in an
>aside that he suspects that the Fabriano paper might contain optical
>brighteners or other chemicals to whiten it, but I doubt he would want
>to be quoted on that surmise, and he didn't say that he knows of any
>actual problem with the paper as a result.
>
>So that's what I've learned about Arches bright white,
>Katharine
>
>
>
>Katharine Thayer wrote:
> >
> > This is interesting, but puzzling. Why would a paper that's manufactured
> > in France be available only in North America? Well, another item to add
> > to my list of things I can't fathom.
> >
> > But when I went to find what I could find about the paper, I found
> > Bruce McEvoy's caution (about all extra white papers)
> >
> > www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/paper2a.html
> >
> > a bit troubling. He says that the Arches bright white "is a recent
> > addition to the line, following a growing industry trend toward whiter
> > supports" and adds, citing another author, that sheets marketed as
> > bright white [or extra white, I presume] "usually contain more chemical
> > additives and are more likely to change color or deteriorate over time."
> >
> > Since the Arches is said to contain no optical brighteners or bleaches,
> > I wonder if I should take this warning to heart; what do paper experts
> > think about this?
> >
> > The annoying thing is that I don't even like a white white paper; I
> > prefer a warmer, gentler white. If they would make this new paper in the
> > old color, I would be totally happy.
> > Katharine
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Sobota wrote:
> > >
> > > David,
> > >
> > > You have R.K.Burt and Co., (http://www.rkburt.co.uk/) They are in London
> > > and sell Arches, Fabriano, Hahnemühle, the lot.
> > >
> > > Lawrence Art Supplies also sell Arches: (http://www.lawrence.co.uk/).
> They
> > > have an online shop.
> > >
> > > I cannot find any 'Bright White Hot Press' paper in their online
> catalogs,
> > > however. Lawrence sell something called 'Arches Blanc', that is,
> white, in
> > > several weights, no mention whether it is cold or hot press.
> > >
> > > Perhaps it is a trade name used only in the States and in Canada? Curry's
> > > in Canada sell a 'Arches Blanc Brillant' :
> > > http://www.currys.com/paperfr/prodinfo.asp?SubcatID=4073&catID=7 but I
> > > cannot find references to this paper in Europe.
> > >
> > > You'd better ask this Purcell, anyway. They will know. Perhaps you could
> > > post whatever they tell you?
> > >
> > > I have been also intrigued by this paper and could not find it. Seems
> that
> > > they are producing it since 2000, but it is nowhere to be seen in the
> > > Arches France catalogs. At least the online ones.
> > >
> > > For the time being, I'll stick to Fabriano :-)
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > At 20:44 02/11/2005, you wrote:
> > > >Hi Tom,
> > > >
> > > >Yes thanks for that. They (Purcell) only show Arches Aquarelle on their
> > > >website however. I'll shoot 'em an e-mail. I can't find a single
> retailer
> > > >though..
> > > >
> > > >Regards,
> > > >
> > > >David H
> > > >(Roast Beef)
> > > >
> > > >Tom Sobota wrote:
> > > >>David,
> > > >>The Arches site in France
> > > >>(http://www.arches-papers.com/arches/fr/distributeurs.php?espace=edart)
> > > >>mentions only one distributor in UK:
> > > >>JOHN PURCELL
> > > >>15 Rumsey Road
> > > >>LONDON SW9 OTR
> > > >>Tel : 00 44 71 737 51 99
> > > >>Fax : 00 44 71 737 67 35
> > > >>Perhaps you could ask there.
> > > >>Regards from an ... ahem ... Continental European?
> > > >>Tom
> > > >>
> > > >>At 17:09 02/11/2005, you wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>Katharine Thayer wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>It's the Arches
> > > >>> > Bright White Hot Press that I am presently using and really
> really love
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Hi Katherine,
> > > >>>It looks like one of those US/UK things. I've scoured the internet
> > > >>>looking for a supplier of Arches bright white in the UK. No luck.
> Can't
> > > >>>find any anywhere.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Any European or British printers know of a source?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Regards
> > > >>>
> > > >>>David H
> > > >>>
> > > >>>(the Euro/Brit thing is a joke :)
> > > >>
> > > >>
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