Re: polivinyl alcohol vs. gelatin sizing

From: Katharine Thayer ^lt;[email protected]>
Date: 07/29/05-11:22:23 AM Z
Message-id: <42EA65CE.4DC9@pacifier.com>

Hi All,
I don't understand what the advantage would be over simply sizing with
acrylic medium, diluted to about the same strength? It seems to me that
they are similar enough that the effect should be about the same. Or am
I missing something.
kt

Jack Brubaker wrote:
>
> Giovanni,
>
> I have not used the Elmers glue but had some very nice success with what is
> marketed as Tite-Bond II (that's a roman numeral 2) in the states. It is a
> very waterproof glue meant for gluing wood. I used it diluted with 10 parts
> water. At least one of the prints I showed a APIS was sized this way. It's
> limitation is that the glue is not white or clear but has a yellow color
> that gives the sized paper a slight "buff" color. It is just off white a
> little, not so much yellow but a slight amber color. It wouldn't be right
> for everything but is very subtle for work that can tolerate a warm white.
>
> Jack
>
> > From: Giovanni Di Mase <gdimase@hotmail.com>
> > Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca
> > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:52:29 -0400
> > To: alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca
> > Subject: Re: polivinyl alcohol vs. gelatin sizing
> >
> > I tried also under Kevin Sullivan suggrestions.
> >
> > I am trying to produce very large prints (1 mt x .80 cms) and obviously the
> > most difficult part is to get an even coating.
> >
> > In my opinion, it is a little bit messy to use Elmer's glue on the exact
> > proportion so I went and found the chemical polyvinyl alcohol.
> >
> > I tested and works but needs to be tuned.
> >
> > I also did some search over the Internet and found interesting articles at:
> >
> > http://www.celvol.com/index/productsmarkets_index/products_markets_pvoh/pvoh_a
> > pplication/pvoh_application_paper.htm
> >
> > http://www.chemvip.com/SolutionPreparationGuidelines.pdf
> >
> > Now Elmer's glue is soluble in water and this issue is being cover at
> >
> > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4110494.html
> >
> > I also found that several companies are working on the basis of this
> > polyvinyl alcohol for the paper and inkjet industries.
> >
> > I wonder if anybody in the list has made any further research.
> >
> > In my opinion it covers very well the gelatin and paper sizing requirements
> > for alternative process.
> >
> > Giovanni
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christina Z. Anderson" <zphoto@montana.net>
> > To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: polivinyl alcohol vs. gelatin sizing
> >
> >
> >> Giovanni,
> >> Kevin Sullivan of B and S fame told me he regularly uses Elmer's Glue in a
> >> 1:8-10 dilution for a size. I have not tried it; if you try it please
> > tell
> >> the list how you like it.
> >> Chris
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Giovanni Di Mase" <gdimase@hotmail.com>
> >> To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:19 AM
> >> Subject: polivinyl alcohol vs. gelatin sizing
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi list,
> >>> As anybody worked or tested the polivynil acetate or alcohol (it is
> > found
> >>> in Elkmer glu) as a substitution to gelatin for sizing paper?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Giovanni
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
Received on Fri Jul 29 18:18:25 2005

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