Re: OT, was (Re: Kodak B&W Paper Discontinued? Good Ridence.)

From: Robert Newcomb ^lt;[email protected]>
Date: 07/13/05-06:24:34 AM Z
Message-id: <>

Lets just wave the flag...
.more people making less money, having a hard time paying the utility
bills, more expensive health care available to fewer people, wages not
even keeping up with inflation, and America hated around the world.
Capitalism makes the rich people richer and their is less chance for
people to move up the latter then almost any time in US history. To
try and support a failing capitalist society this government ignores
the fact of global warming and the effects of our oil based capitalist
economy on the environment.
  I didn't start this topic but the flag waving makes me want to loose
my breakfast.
Robert Newcomb

On Jul 12, 2005, at 10:45 PM, Dave Rose wrote:

> Dear Susan,
> This kind of political commentary is off topic but not unexpected for
> this
> list. I've endured so much far left liberal nonsense on
> alt-photo-process.
> What about alternative photography attracts such wacky thinking
> individuals?
> I must respond.
> What evidence do you offer to support your statement that "Capitalism
> does
> not work for poeple nor for the environment!" ???
> Here in the United States, stronghold of capitalism, we have some of
> the
> strictest laws protecting the environment. Not perfect and there's
> always
> room for improvement, but it's a damn sight better than most
> countries. I'd
> argue that capitalism most definitely "works" for the people. We're
> blessed
> with a very high standard of living, great wealth, a productive and
> robust
> economy and possibly the best personal rights and freedoms available
> anywhere.
> If capitalism doesn't work (as you assert), then lets look at Cuba,
> North
> Korea, the former Soviet Union, etc..... How many people are starving
> in
> North Korea? Are you aware of the environmental disasters in the
> former
> Soviet Union? I'll take capitalism anyday.
> What kind of work do you do Susan? I've been involved in sales for
> the past
> 16 years. My career has been financially rewarding, but more
> importantly,
> I've helped many small business owners grow their businesses. That's
> led to
> more people being hired, more people living the American dream,
> providing a
> good life for themselves and their families. Capitalism is great!
> It's not
> perfect, but what in this life is? It beats the hell out of starving
> in
> North Korea or living under the thumb of a tyrant in Cuba.
> As for Kodak discontinuing B&W paper, it's a wise and prudent business
> decision. Kodak needs to either remain profitable, or face financial
> ruin.
> Not to worry, if there's sufficient demand, a small manufacturer will
> step
> in and capture the market that Kodak has abandoned.
> There is no "slide of big business", the very nature of capitalism
> ensures
> that that won't happen. IMO, you're indulging in a fantasy.
> Dave Rose
> Powell, Wyoming
>> Hi John,
>> Late noteas I just got back from holiday- I agree with you but;
>> unlike
> you
>> I have been upset with Kodak for a long time and refuse all their
>> products
>> except AZO paper which is made here in Canada.
>> I lost all fith in those people when they yanked the POP off the
>> shelf-
>> although the POP is much better now!
>> Hope we can halt the slide of big business but know it is
>> impossible.
>> Capitalism does not work for poeple nor for the environment!
>> Always,
>> Susan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Cremati" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 9:03 AM
>> Subject: Kodak B&W Paper Discontinued? Good Ridence.
>>> These companies make the huge mistake that because a item is
> not
>>> selling a billion dollars worth of every product they make a year
>> they
>>> should get rid of it seeking only the most profitable
>> items.............They
>>> do not realize that if they were still selling a lot of the chemicals
>> and
>>> other discontinued items that I would not only be buying paper from
>> them
>>> but chemicals as well and other supplies as well..........
>>> Then they move much of their manufacturing to third world
>> countries
>>> and now they expect me to buy my film from them when they cut off my
>>> paper..... To top it off they have made it extremely difficult for
>>> dealers to buy their product placing huge yearly minimal quotas on
>>> them....... The small dealer can not meet these quotas........Again,
>> they
>>> are only seeking huge profits............
>>> When I see this sort of mentality, all though I have rooted for
>> them
>>> in the past as I am a die hard Kodak Fan, I say good riddance.....
>>> Hopefully a company will emerge that has a service attitude toward
> their
>>> customers.... Some things you sell at a break even point, or even a
> loss
>> to
>>> keep your customer base strong on other items you manufacture not
>>> just
>>> discontinue them............. Also Maybe selling one box of 50
> sheets
>> 8x10
>>> Ectachrome for over "$400"???? has something to do with it as well
>>> ......You can not convince me that they can not do small production
> runs
>> and
>>> streamline thier marketing toward the small dealer and end user it
>> increase
>>> thier market share ..........
>>> They have been living on easy street for to long.... The
> way
>> I
>>> see it , their heads are in their asses.....
>>> They still do not realize that there will always be the die hard
>>> Photographers in the world that will continue to buy these products
> no
>>> matter what and they need to gear their operation toward them before
>> they
>>> completely loose them as well..................... Do they really
> care??
>>> Probably not....
Received on Wed Jul 13 06:24:46 2005

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