Re: Re: Research Question - Darkrooms closed?

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Date: 10/10/04-02:22:51 PM Z
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Ok, Glendale College is running a two track program with crossover. To take
digital you need a base in wet. Plus we have a Non Silver/Historical processes
class, that I get to teach.

Pasadena CC may be loosing ground when they go into a new building. Darkroom
smaller, no studio.

Riverside CC was headed that way, but may be changing direction to full a
service program.

Cal State Fullerton started down sizing the program, no wet darkroom in the
communcation arts department. Not sure about the art department.

Citrus College getting smaller.

East Los Angeles College, new building in the plans and a strong two part

Ah, California and the CC program best bang for the buck 25/28 dollars per
unit not bad.

Good luck on the project and we will see you in July for APIS 2005.

Jan Pietrzak
Associate Adjunt Instructor
Glendale College

> From: Richard Sullivan <>
> Date: 2004/10/10 Sun PM 07:45:16 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: Research Question - Darkrooms closed?
> Mark,
> I just got a Microtek i900 scanner. It's unbelievably good. We have Epson
> 4870's at the school and the Microtek eats Epson's for lunch. They are both
> about the same price. For instance the i900 weighs 24 lbs and the Epson
> 14lbs. of course you don't buy by the pound but the Microtek reflects the
> quality that the Epson doesn't You can now get quality today for $600.00
> that was only available on $100,000.00 drum scanners a few years ago.
> Whoooee.
> --Dick
> --Dick
> At 11:49 AM 10/10/2004, you wrote:
> >Dick,
> >
> >I congratulate you on your efforts. I think Historical Processes is
> >probably as good a term as any. Sometimes perhaps Hysterical Processes
> >might be appropriate, but that's a whole other story involving a variety
> >of nuances in working with these processes. I do think Silver should be
> >included at this point also‚€”Sam Wang and Sandy King both ecouraged me to
> >word the title of my book with that thought in mind.
> >
> >I also think that your efforts are very timely in that with the avalanche
> >of people going to digital output, there are some discerning folks who are
> >beginning to feel a yearning for the beauty and quality of a final print
> >that is only possible with the Historic Processes. Regardless of their
> >workflow, be it film to scanner, or digital camera, there is a growing
> >need for high quality methods and workflows to get from the original image
> >capture to prints that have a lasting beauty and are hand made.
> >
> >Good luck with your efforts!
> >
> >Best Wishes,
> >Mark Nelson
> >Purchase the book @
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> >
> >
> >In a message dated 10/10/04 11:02:33 AM, writes:
> >
> >
> >>I have decided to use the term "historical processes" instead of
> >>alternative or non-silver. It goes over better in the academic setting.
> >>Alternative sounds a lot like it might involve acupuncture, and
> >>non-silver... well!¬ My school had used the term "obsolete processes" in
> >>some contexts if one can imagine that, and then to think the school also
> >>teaching business marketing!
> >>
> >>Perhaps "historical" is not perfect but does have a sophisticated ring to
> >>it. I give a heavy dose of history in my classes. I go into a lot of
> >>as to living in a world where people were not inundated with images minute
> >>by minute. That the search for a permanent process, and I focus on the
> >>invention of carbon printing, which was serious business involving sealed
> >>envelopes being sent by courier under guard to the local scientific
> >>societies, patents and massive follow up lawsuits. Students today can
> >>easily view these processes as quaint photo 101 endeavors and miss the
> >>tremendous impact the development of photography had on society in their
> >>day. I also have a view that much of the early development was centered on
> >>making printing plates and not parlor pictures. I believe Niepce and
> >>Daguerre were attempting to make a printing plate and had to settle for
> >>parlor print. Note that it was many years before a decent photomechanical
> >>process was developed and photomechanical reproductions outnumber prints
> >>megafactors. (new word?)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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