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Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?)

I encourage you to look at operating a network outside of a datacenter or corporate campus. 

The wireless last hop is *NOT* the problem. A modern deployment in a small village could put dozens of megabit/s to every house for $10k. The transit or transport connections *ARE* the fiscal problem. 

Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


----- Original Message -----

From: "George Herbert" <george.herbert at gmail.com> 
To: "Lee Howard" <lee.howard at retevia.net> 
Cc: nanog at nanog.org 
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 10:29:15 AM 
Subject: Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) 

Iâ??m confused. 

People are using last hop (wireless) arguments against HTTPS Everywhere; thatâ??s the part that requires full bandwidth either way (as your non-HTTPS cache is upstream somewhere). The fiber links that are physically fixed and can handle in many cases better lasers, are the ongoing upgradable part. 

If youâ??re complaining your fiber backhaul is too big a deal, youâ??re playing the wrong game to start with. 

George William Herbert 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jun 19, 2018, at 7:53 AM, Lee Howard <lee.howard at retevia.net> wrote: 
>> On 06/17/2018 02:53 PM, Brad wrote: 
>> While I agree there are unintended consequences every time advancements are made in relation to the security and stability of the Internet- I disagree we should be rejecting their implementations. Instead, we should innovate further. 
> I look forward to your innovations. 
>> Just because end to end encryption causes bandwidth issues for a very small number users - then perhaps they could benefit the most by these changes with additional capacity. 
> I encourage you to invest billions of dollars in rural broadband capacity worldwide. The rest of us will thank you for your sacrifice. 
> Lee 
>> -Brad 
>> -------- Original message --------From: Michael Hallgren <mh at xalto.net> Date: 6/17/18 11:14 (GMT-07:00) To: nanog at jack.fr.eu.org Cc: Matthew Petach <matt at petach.org>, nanog at nanog.org Subject: Re: Impacts of Encryption Everywhere (any solution?) 
>> Le 2018-06-17 12:40, nanog at jack.fr.eu.org a écrit : 
>>> Well, yes, there is, you simply have to break the end to end encryption 
>> Yes, (or) deny service by Policy (remains to evaluate who's happy with 
>> that). 
>> Cheers, 
>> mh 
>>>> On 06/17/2018 03:09 AM, Matthew Petach wrote: 
>>>> Except that if websites are set to HTTPS only, there's no option for 
>>>> disabling encryption on the client side. 
>>>> Matt 
>>>>> On Sat, Jun 16, 2018, 14:47 <nanog at jack.fr.eu.org> wrote: 
>>>>>> On 06/16/2018 10:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
>>>>>> Sadly, it's just falling on deaf ears. Silicon Valley will continue 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>> think they know better than everyone else and people outside of that 
>>>>> bubble 
>>>>> will continue to be disadvantaged. 
>>>>> What, again ? 
>>>>> Encryption is what is best for the most people. 
>>>>> The few that will not use it can disable it. 
>>>>> No issue then.