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internet routing table in a vrf

     If you run PIC and hide the next hop information between a loopback which is what will happen in a vpn environment you will lose awareness of the failure of an edge link on a remote PE. The remote PE will continue to send traffic to the PE with the failed link until it has completely converged both at the control plane, and written to the FIB. If the remote PE has PIC running he can bounce that traffic back to his backup path via another PE. There will be some percentage of your traffic that will then form a transient micro loop though because that remote PE will have his primary path through the failed link due to shortest as path length etc, and he will not have converged yet around the failure on the remote PE and has no awareness of the failure. One possible solution to this is to guarantee that a PE will never use another PE for a primary transit route. This can be accomplished via metrics such as weight etc.. Again one of the downsides of this is you need to run VRF labels so that a local IP lookup can be done on the PE with the failed link and it can execute a local repair when it see's the link drop. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Saku Ytti [mailto:saku at ytti.fi] 
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 11:23 AM
To: nanog at nanog.org
Subject: Re: internet routing table in a vrf

On (2013-03-08 16:40 +0000), Matt Newsom wrote:

> 2) forward plane (recursive lookup issues)
>           Most platforms program prefix's with associated labels slower so your base convergence will suffer. 

Do you have any reference you could share? What level of penalty per prefix have you observed in each platform tested?

>In addition if you want to run PIC you will likely be left with a bit of custom engineering to make it  	work. VPN's hide the next hop behind the loopback of the PE so next hop failure awareness of an edge tie will be lost. If you can stomach the double lookup you can run per-vrf labels (per prefix isn't feasible on most platforms) and weight up your edge ties and force a bounce back to another PE, otherwise you will be stuck with bgp control plane based convergence with per-ce labels.

PIC is about converging each prefix at the same time. It does not make statement where next_hop is pointing, is it loop0 (next-hop-self in INET) or is it edge CE.

If your IGP carries all edge links, and you don't run next-hop-self, far end PE can converge faster in INET scenario. But current efforts are not to fix this, current efforts are to make the local PE do hitless repair when arriving frame is pointing to dead edge interface.
It seems to be very rare to run INET in this way, majority don't carry edge links in IGP and do run next-hop-self.