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Big day for IPv6 - 1% native penetration



On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Dobbins, Roland <rdobbins at arbor.net> wrote:
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> On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:36 PM, Cameron Byrne wrote:
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>> Ipv6 is not important for users, it is important for network operators who want to sustain their business.
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> I agree with the first part; not sure I agree with the second part.
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>> Nope. Nobody will leave money on the table by alienating users.
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> I think it may be possible to make money with compelling IPv6-only content/services/applications.
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I disagree, i simply see an additional fee for IPv4 coming about.

>> Apple and msft os' s now make a clear judgement on that. So, you need to update your perspective.
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> I'm not very interested in their judgement.  So, I'm quite happy with my perspective, thanks.
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>> Does not matter. And it will not happen.
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> Proof by repeated assertion doesn't sway me.
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>> The better question, for an isp, is what kind of ipv4 secondary market budget do you have? How hot is your cgn running?  Like ALGs much ? Security and attribute much ?
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> These are important, yes.
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>> Again , users dont care or know about v4 or v6. This is purely a network operator and app issue (cough cough ... skype).
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> It's my contention that IPv6 won't be widely deployed unless/until end-customers call up their ISPs demanding this 'IPv6 or whatever' thing they need to accomplish some goal they have.
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In face of your speculation i present to you facts:  Google, Yahoo,
Facebook, Bing  (... other content and app providers)  along with many
access networks (VZW, Comcast, AT&T DSL, KDDI, DT, Free ...) now have
quite meaningful IPv6 deployments. AT&T DSL and VZW LTE are in the
millions of subs with IPv6 at this point.  These are not the result of
an IPv6-only service (i think there was some v6 p2p service at Free),
and they are likely also not motivated by Grandma calling up and
asking for IPv6 or she is switching providers.

Why did they do this?  Because IPv4 is run out and NAT is bad.  I am
not listing my own deployment since we are not default-on for IPv6
yet, but will be RSN.

CB

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