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[ih] internet-future mailing list ?

It occurs to me that we might want to discuss things we'd LIKE TO SEE, 
rather than predictions.? And for that matter, projects that we know of 
/ are working on, that might lead in certain directions.

Miles Fidelman

On 12/16/19 4:15 PM, Karl Auerbach via Internet-history wrote:
> It can be kinda fun to try to look into the crystal ball.
> One thought that struck me a few years back was a recognition that 
> "The Internet" (with or without capitalization) is rather like the 
> elephant in the fable about the blind men: it is perceived as many 
> different things.
> For those of us here "The Internet" may be conceived as a system that 
> carries IP packets from hither to yon where that hither and yon are 
> identified by globally unique IP addresses.
> Others may view the net as the world wide web.
> I would suggest that if we asked younger users and engineers that we 
> would get a rather different answer: that to them the net is composed 
> of interworking applications like Instagram or Twitter or TikTok.
> From that application-centric point of view things like "end to end 
> principle" become merely a disposable detail of inner plumbing.? Does 
> it really matter to Twitter users whether the underlying machinery is 
> elegant and free of media transitions and proxies?
> And from another perspective I've seeing a lot of movement, often done 
> under the banner of "optimization", back towards circuit switching 
> notions - or rather, hybrids in which packet routing is ever more 
> forcefully constrained into fixed paths (especially for data flows for 
> conversational audio or interactive video that have severe latency and 
> jitter constraints.)
> And might one consider the 5G movement (even without millimeter wave 
> technology) as a new ISO/OSI (but better designed to co-exist with 
> existing IPv4/6 infrastructures.)
> A few years back I wrote up one view of where the net could be going.? 
> It was somewhat pessimistic.? However the intervening years have not 
> adduced much evidence to the contrary. 
> https://www.cavebear.com/cavebear-blog/internet_quo_vadis/
> One of the more interesting aspects of my own delving into Internet 
> history has been that there were many roads not taken. Some of those 
> roads could be re-explored.? (My own favorite candidate for that would 
> be to revisit what the ISO/OSI people did so badly that few 
> comprehended its value: a persistent session layer above transport.? 
> Had we had that we would not have had to explore inelegant things like 
> mobile IP or HTTP/S cookies.)
> ??? --karl--
> On 12/16/19 10:40 AM, Toerless Eckert via Internet-history wrote:
>> I was wondering why there is no "internet-future" discussion list
>> here on elists.isoc.org given how there is an "internet-history" 
>> mailing list.

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