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[ih] ARPAnet and nuclear survivability

i pushed the concept during my time leading the Internet work and this  
capability was demonstrated by Mike Frankel at SRI International via  
the Strategic Air Command around 1982.


On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Terry Gray wrote:

> I recall asking Bob Braden this same question 25 years ago, and if
> memory serves, his take back then was that the survivability meme was
> not part of the original concept (agreeing with Larry's view), but
> that it started showing up in proposals by the mid-70s, presumably to
> increase their marketability within DOD.
> Bob, does that sound right?
> -teg
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Vint Cerf wrote:
>> we'd have to ask steve lukasik. Larry Roberts was adamant that his  
>> motivation
>> was resource sharing and that comports well with Licklider's  
>> writings.
>> vint
>> On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Dave CROCKER wrote:
>>> Bernie Cosell wrote:
>>>> On another list the old question came up again and I'm not sure  
>>>> I've ever
>>>> gotten a straight answer.  I have always thought that Licklider's  
>>>> intent
>>>> was to build a collaboration/research network.
>>> Since the Arpanet had a number of different people in lead  
>>> positions, it
>>> would not be surprising if they had different agendas or chose to  
>>> present
>>> things in different ways to particular audiences.
>>> When I got involved, in the early 70's, I would periodically hear  
>>> some folk
>>> characterize the capability as designed to "survive hostile  
>>> battlefield
>>> conditions".  I took that to mean convention battlefields, not  
>>> nuclear.
>>> (I've heard that in the first Iraq War, the US was unable to knock  
>>> out the
>>> Iraque data net; survivability was thereby demonstrated...)
>>> I believe I've heard that Lukasik would claim the goal of nuclear
>>> survivability during presentations to the military or Congress or  
>>> somesuch,
>>> as a funding pitch.
>>> d/
>>> -- 
>>> Dave Crocker
>>> Brandenburg InternetWorking
>>> bbiw.net