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Wireless broadcasts everything on radio. Wired less so.

I mean this for extremely local networks, i.e., a single building or
city block. 

On Wed, 2016-02-10 at 19:52 +0100, Cari Machet wrote:
> i will look at that 
> 
> 
> but what makes wired less "chatty"
> 
> 
> can you expand your ideas on why wireless over wired/fiber? 
> 
> 
> if the interconnected reach problem goes away that is
> 
> 
> +++
> 
> 
> my issue with wire/fiber is that it is infrastructure built by the
> powers ... if higher levels of strength are on wireless networks -
> which my report discusses as coming - then maybe it is a better place
> to form new structures
> 
> 
> the powers have proven they will lock them for capital as the
> chatanooga model demonstrates so i think it would be best to move from
> wire
> 
> 
> and my point in bringing up syria and iraq wireless use as v strong
> signal in the middle of nowhere speaks to wireless ability as well so
> 
> 
> i have no clue how they attianed this super connectivity and maybe the
> human body was sort of fucked by the waves floating in the air but
> still ... there could be built protection shields  
> 
> 
> i would like to see your arguments 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 6:02 PM, Ted Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
>         I'm a little skeptical of wireless mesh networks as a general
>         solution
>         to this sort of problem, because they're inherently chatty,
>         and have
>         very limited reach.
>         
>         I think a better solution is local wired networks with
>         something like
>         Freenet running over them providing distributed
>         censorship-proof
>         storage. The next challenge is to synchronize contents between
>         local
>         Freenet darknets over sneakernet, which I don't think has been
>         done.
>         
>         On Wed, 2016-02-10 at 16:06 +0100, Cari Machet wrote:
>         > there are mesh networks
>         >
>         >
>         > freifunk
>         >
>         >
>         > https://duckduckgo.com/?q=freifunk+berlin
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > also when people woke up to the cables of the net all going
>         thru the
>         > US there was at least talk of making new infrastructure on
>         other land
>         > masses
>         >
>         >
>         > i wrote about the chatanooga model that freed the fiber
>         under the city
>         > of chatanooga and also the future being wireless hubs not
>         > broadband ... look to what the powers are making frameworks
>         for and
>         > develop outside that realm using its flaws
>         >
>         >
>         > when i lived in syria i had video calls in the middle of the
>         > desert ... no cell towers in sight -
>         >
>         >
>         > iraqis had video calling in 2000 or even 1999 - anyone that
>         had an
>         > efficient fone (nokia was big)
>         >
>         >
>         > in other words the whole system is throttled and thats not
>         just about
>         > speed
>         >
>         >
>         > but quantum computing development is being ignored ?
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Zenaan Harkness
>         <[email protected]>
>         > wrote:
>         >         Posting 'useful' (your definition) older emails like
>         this I
>         >         think is good.
>         >
>         >         >> 4. The non-profit, open-source, volunteer
>         internet
>         >         providing services
>         >         >> or products at no cost or for donations.
>         >         >>
>         >         >> 5. The closed sub-internets, mil-gov classified,
>         SCADA,
>         >         restricted
>         >         >> and special purpose networks used by operators
>         and
>         >         administrators of
>         >         >> backbones, nodes, satellite, cable, wired and
>         wireless
>         >         systems,
>         >         >>
>         >         >> Second, the unknown internets, with or without
>         evident
>         >         access logging:
>         >         >>
>         >         >> 6. The covert policing and spying internet which
>         watches,
>         >         logs,
>         >         >> mucks around, runs stings, causes accidents and
>         shut-downs,
>         >         cuts
>         >         >> cables, runs surprise tests and attacks, and
>         keeps alive
>         >         the demand
>         >         >> for covert oversight of all the known others.
>         >         >>
>         >         >> 7. The covert internets which hide among all the
>         others, or
>         >         try to
>         >         >> subject to discovery by 6.
>         >         >>
>         >         >> 8. The evanescent internets which are set up,
>         used and
>         >         disappear
>         >         >> quickly, openly or covertly, subject to 6.
>         >         >>
>         >         >> 9. The wayward and waylaid internets which cannot
>         be
>         >         identified:
>         >         >> rogues, experiments, mistakes, erratic systems,
>         unexpected
>         >         >> glitches and consequences, acts of nature,
>         forgotten
>         >         protocols,
>         >         >> inept code, destructive code, lost access
>         techniques, death
>         >         >> of the perpetrators.
>         >         >>
>         >         >> 10. Internets of combinations, hybrids,
>         deceptions, ploys
>         >         and
>         >         >> warfare among 1-9.
>         >
>         >         We need a good name for the internet with these
>         attributes:
>         >         - not so ad-hoc
>         >         - physical layer
>         >         - localised/ immediate neighbourhood area mini-nets
>         >
>         >         - eventually (if useful) a meta network connecting
>         these
>         >
>         >         Since in general we don't own our internet tubes,
>         the mostly
>         >         profit-motivated companies that do have ongoing
>         economic
>         >         incentive to
>         >         centralize, control, be taken over by larger fish.
>         >
>         >         We need to grok a counter-principle, such that we
>         can over the
>         >         longer
>         >         term reverse this trend.
>         >
>         >         This requires perhaps some perceivable benefit(s) to
>         the local
>         >         neighbours and their phy nodes, to warrant the hour
>         or so
>         >         required to
>         >         connect to each other.
>         >
>         >         So where could such features/ benefits arise?:
>         >         - some new dynamic of torrents?
>         >         - local/ community "library" concept?
>         >         - privacy?
>         >         - anonymity?
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > --
>         > Cari Machet
>         > NYC 646-436-7795
>         > [email protected]
>         > AIM carismachet
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Cari Machet
> NYC 646-436-7795
> [email protected]
> AIM carismachet
> Syria +963-099 277 3243
> Amman +962 077 636 9407
> Berlin +49 152 11779219 
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