Re: Gum problem(s)

From: Katharine Thayer ^lt;>
Date: 11/24/05-01:38:07 PM Z
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Not to give anyone the false impression that I don't care about
copyright; I certainly do. I was rather taken aback recently to see
someone's description of the gum process, which consisted entirely of
the first several sections of the text of my web page "Introduction to
Gum Bichromate," lifted verbatim. It's true that I was (sort of)
given credit for the information, but just the same, one wants to say
"What part of 'all rights reserved' don't you understand, exactly?" At
any rate, expropriating someone's writing wholesale and using it for
your own purposes is not the same as making copies of a research paper
for educational purposes, nor is it the same thing as simply citing a
scientific finding, and I hope I haven't clouded those distinctions in
anyone's mind by my sudden confusion about how I feel about copying a
chapter from Kosar.

On Nov 24, 2005, at 9:57 AM, Katharine Thayer wrote:

> I think it's only fair to admit that I realize that my views are
> rather inconsistent on this point. Martin sent me a research paper
> recently that I was delighted to get, and I don't see any problem
> with copying and sending scientific papers; one assumes that it's
> about disseminating knowledge and that no one would object to it.
> Scientists usually get nothing but fame, if that, for having their
> work published; they are paid by their institution for the time they
> spend writing the article and expect no further payment. If I ever
> use this paper in anything I write, I'll cite it in the usual way for
> scientific citation, without feeling any obligation (nor do I think
> the authors would suppose any obligation on my part as long as it was
> a simple citation) to ask permission for my cite. So to be consistent,
> I shouldn't care about Kosar either, but it seems different to me
> somehow. Is it only that with a book, the author actually may get some
> money for it? I don't know. I said I'm ambivalent; I think this
> further explication simply illustrates my ambivalence.
> Katharine
> On Nov 24, 2005, at 9:16 AM, Yves Gauvreau wrote:
>> Excellent idea Katharine, I'd feel much better having permission to
>> copy
>> even if it's only part of it. If Kosar is not alive I'm sure someone
>> could
>> get in tuch with the publisher and from there one could find out who
>> to
>> contact.
>> I'd be curious to know if major universities wouldn't have a copy of
>> this
>> book around??? But from what many of you said I wouldn't spent to
>> much time
>> on this, what's relevent to gum printing seems to be marginal at best.
>> Yves
>> PS. many people think copying stuff is a very minor thing until
>> someone
>> copies their stuff, then they think it's a major major offense....
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Katharine Thayer" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 11:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: Gum problem(s)
>>> On Nov 24, 2005, at 4:42 AM, MARTINM wrote:
>>>> Being active in a somewhat different area (
>>>> mainly, I
>>>> don't quite feel qualified to answer your question. I assume Kosar
>>>> would be
>>>> a good starting point. "Kosar" would imply not only his book but
>>>> both
>>>> the
>>>> literature he quotes from and the patents he refers to.
>>>> By the way I scanned the whole book to my computer (resulting in a
>>>> slightly
>>>> messed up pagination). So I might be in the position to send out the
>>>> whole
>>>> thing to those interested. That would be two multi-paged TIF files
>>>> (5.8MB
>>>> and 4.6MB large)...
>>> Actually, the chapter on dichromated colloids is probably the only
>>> part
>>> that would be useful to folks here.
>>> I'm ambivalent about the copying and share Yves' concern about
>>> copyright but at the same time, if the book has become so hard to
>>> find that it has become for all intents and purposes unavailable to
>>> most alt photo workers, then it sort of makes sense too. The book is
>>> 40
>>> years old, so the copyright is still in effect. Does anyone know if
>>> Kosar is still around; could he be contacted for permission to copy?
>>> Katharine
Received on Thu Nov 24 13:48:41 2005

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