Re: Picture on metal

From: Galina Manikova ^lt;galina@online.no>
Date: 09/22/04-04:03:39 AM Z
Message-id: <AD5A52EE-0C7E-11D9-88FD-000A959AE86C@online.no>

Thank you, Gerry,

sounds like I have got a reputation here!

Well, if I am to give some advice here, I would first consider how much
time you want to spend on this matter, Timo!

One can do cold processes as emulsion transfers of different sorts or
silver gelatin and put some cover coat to protect it. However, that can
not be permanent and will be fragile and sensitive to scratches and
temperature differences.

The only thing that would hold is a hot enamel process.

It can be done in different manners, have a look at my website under
"professional secrets", one can print it out now using "print" command
on the upright side.

Dusting on, carbon, gum, temperaprint can be used based on enamel
colors suitable for a particular metal and firing temperature. Cleaning
and polishing the metal surface prior to that is the most important
part. So one needs to find some sort of base to put under the emulsion
to make it sit on a smooth metal surface before and during the firing.
I recommend gelatin with an addition of some melting agent suitable for
the firing temperature.

Modern use of some of it can be studied at this site:

http://www.enamellers.nl/english/carpenter1.htm

Somebody has mentioned it here before, I think. Perhaps, you can just
order it from them, Timo? Unless you want to learn the process yourself
and have both time and money for it...

All this is time consuming and demanding activity...

I wonder if it is worth it if you just want one picture, Timo?

Sometimes we might need to reconsider our intentions...

But by all means,

good luck!

Let us all know what you decide to do and how it all goes.

Best wishes to everybody!

Galina Manikova
www.galina.no

P 21. sep 2004 kl. 22.06 skrev Gerry Giliberti:

> Mmm,...That's a good question. When I make Polaroid transfers on to
> watercolor paper or Plexiglas I usually seal them with a standard clear
> lacquer spray paint. Someone on the list like Galina will have a
> better idea
> about what to use on metal. http://www.galina.no/
>
> Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sean [mailto:indigo@xprt.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:12 PM
> To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
> Subject: Re: Picture on metal
>
>
> What kind of lacquer? I'm also interested in placing lifts on metal.
>
> Sean
>
> Gerry Giliberti wrote:
>
>> Slide images made into Polaroid prints and then doing an emulsion
>> lift can
>> be very successful. Afterwards they can be sprayed with lacquer. I'm
>> not
>> sure of the archival qualities but they adhere to mostly anything.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Swain [mailto:fotoobscura@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 11:25 AM
>> To: alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca
>> Subject: Re: Picture on metal
>>
>> I've never gotten emulsion lifting to work too well. I've done it
>> with bleach and canvas and of course its a one shot deal :) But it
>> shows promise! (I have lifted a faint image a few times doing it).
>> Don't try it with your prized pulitzer 4x5's :)
>>
>> I have done emulsion onto wood and glass but never metal..metal is
>> next..right now i'm doing chloryphyll (sp!) exposures before the
>> leaves all change and I don't have any more sunlight (i'm in Vermont
>> so..)
>>
>> :)
>>
>> fo
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:06:07 +0300, Timo Sund <timo@palaios.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Or emulsion lift!!
>>>
>>> And some laquer on top of it. Might work well enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ender100@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> One way this is done is with enamelEUR"see
>>>> http://www.enamellers.nl/english/carpenter1.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mark Nelson
>>>> Purchase the book @
>>>> www.PrecisionDigitalNegatives.com
>>>> Credit Card & Paypal now accepted
>>>> www.MarkINelsonPhoto.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 9/21/04 3:08:00 AM, timo@palaios.com writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I seem to gather impossible projects to my workroom but now it´s
>>>>> more
>>>>> than before.
>>>>>
>>>>> How to make picture permanently stay on nickelpalted pocketwatch?
>>>>>
>>>>> My aim is to product one pocketwatch with picture of my dear wife.
>>>>> And maybe later more of them as friends find what i´ve done.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe some day even bigger pics on big aluminium plates I have
>> available.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Timo Sund
>>> Palaios Photos
>>> Finland
>>> http://palaios.com
>>>
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Received on Wed Sep 22 04:04:07 2004

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