Re: planned obsolescence rules

From: Bill Laidley ^lt;[email protected]>
Date: 11/22/04-04:28:46 PM Z
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A couple of comments...

The pricing does not include purchasing Windows, which isn't cheap.
Sometimes you can get OEM pricing, but depending on the version of
Windows you choose it could easily add $200 to the price.

I had a system built using an AMD CPU several years ago - several times
a day i got the 'blue screen of death' (Windows died horribly) and I
lost whatever i was working on at the time. I decided that the amount
of time I lost wasn't free and had the CPU changed to Intel. The
problem immediately went away. It may have been AMD, it may have been
Windows - I never found the cause. Things may have improved since then,
but I still only use Intel CPUs.

On 22-Nov-04, at 2:00 PM, Tom Ferguson wrote:

> WOW! That does give one reason to pau$e!
> On Monday, November 22, 2004, at 01:27 PM, Keith Gerling wrote:
>> Tom,
>> I put this stuff in an existing box, so I guess you could call this
>> an upgrade.  These days video, audio, and networking functions are
>> often (usually) available on the mainboard, thus no cards. Her Asus
>> board has built in SATA RAID, and I've been running onboard ATA RAID
>> for years on an old Abit board.  Checking today's specials at
>>, I see that you can buy a 16X DVD drive for $62 and a
>> pretty decent case/power supply for $30.  I see that is
>> offering a 200 MB Seagate drive for $70  I've got a whole box of SCSI
>> cards that I hopefully will never need again, but I see Newegg has
>> one for $17.  So it wouldn't be a major hit to put an entire system
>> together from scratch. 
>> So, If I were putting a system together today with a $1700 Apple
>> budget, I'd do this:
>> 2 200 GB Seagate drives
>>   RAID drives                         140
>> MSI dual cpu mainboard         205
>> 2 10,000 RPM 40MB
>>   SATA drives (RAID)            210
>> DVD                                       65
>> 2 AMD 64 bit processors        300
>> 2 additional video cards            80
>> case/power supply                   50
>> 4 Gig RAM                            700
>> Wow!   Ponder that for a moment.  You have 4 gigs of RAM, and you put
>> your Photoshop scratch disk on your RAID SATA drives which are
>> spinning at 10,000.  You still have 400 GB of RAID storage.   All
>> that, and DUAL 64 bit processors.  AND, you have three
>> monitors.  The connoisseur side of me says "go Apple". but
>> the financially poor computer side of me wins out! 
>> As for AMD vs. Intel?  Well, that's entirely different war.  AMD
>> seems to be ahead of Intel with the ability tof offer fancy
>> chipsets,  64bit, etc.   I certainly wouldn't call them "second
>> class".  I prefer AMD over Intel because they always win out in the
>> benchmark tests running Photoshop, which is my primary application. 
>> Also, for some reason, dual AMDs of similar speed run some
>> applications (like video editting and 3d rendering) at FAR greater
>> speeds than similar dual Pentiums. 
> --------------
> Tom Ferguson

Bill Laidley
Received on Mon Nov 22 16:32:28 2004

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