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[ale] Indian outsourcing

This was pretty much what I was trying to say.  Changing directions and
taking huge paycuts are not options for most IT workers.  Why do we
simultaneously brag about living in "the greatest country in the world"
and tell displaced IT workers "chuck your career and flip burgers, you
have no right to a job"?  What makes us the greatest?  Yea we can blow
shit up, but is that great?  No, it is (was) the idea that you can be
whatever you set your mind to be.

Again, it is not the Indians' problem.  They just solved a problem of
their own.  Corporations are just doing what they have to do.  We need
leadership from our President and Congress that we are not getting ..pj

-----Original Message-----
From: Geoffrey [mailto:esoteric at 3times25.net] 
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:06 AM
To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] Indian outsourcing

Stephen Touset wrote:

> I think what's unclear here is that we're both justified in our
> I'm seeing it from a completely utilitarian perspective, in that some
> people may be hurt, while there's an overall improvement, and you're
> seeing it from the paradigm of a man who needs to care for his family.
> Neither one of us is wrong--we simply have different priorities.

BUT, you don't understand the issues of 'caring for a family' unless you

have one.  After my daughter was born, I told my Mother, "you don't know

how much your parents love you until you have your own child."  I would 
give my life for my daughter, and there's very few people who can say 
that about anyone that is not their child. (if any)

Someone else noted having done the 'sleeping in a car' thing.  I can 
tell you it would be very easy for me to find myself reducing my current

status of living to such a state in order to maintain IF it was just me.

  I could not fathom doing so with a family.  I can't even imagine the 
pain of telling my daughter she can't go to college because Daddy 
doesn't have the money.

Along with that, there are some of us who have other vested issues.  For

example, I personally have over 15 years in this business.  My education

is in this field.  My previous employer invested large sums of money to 
get me to that point.  And finally, I really enjoy this business.  It's 
real easy then to say, oh, just go sell real estate, now isn't it.  Yeah

I know, life ain't fair.

I can't now recall who it was who said it (Pizza?), but where does one 
go from here?  Farming->industrial->information->???  One of the huge 
differences here is that for the average farm hand and industrial 
worker, you were basically moving from one task to another, neither of 
which required a tremendous amount of skill or knowledge.  I've done the

factory work, I know.  What we're talking about now is a large group of 
people who have some very specific skills.  Many who are highly skilled 
and/or highly educated.  Many who have spent a lot of time and often 
times money in honing those skills.  It was very easy for me to make the

transition from driving a fork truck to IT.  Where is that next step?

There's a huge void there.  There's not a progression to a new and 
growing field now is there.

As for whether this whole thing is going to be an overall improvement, I

don't see it that way.  There's no new growing field for all of us to 
move to.

Until later, Geoffrey                     Registered Linux User #108567
Building secure systems inspite of Microsoft

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