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Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS?
- Subject: Packetstream - how does this not violate just about every provider's ToS?
- From: kscott.helms at gmail.com (K. Scott Helms)
- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 15:30:05 -0400
- In-reply-to: <[email protected]>
- References: <af762f22-9431-4137-b87e-2444a62bdd87@Spark> <[email protected]>
After all, it worked for Napster....
On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 3:23 PM John Levine <johnl at iecc.com> wrote:
> In article <af762f22-9431-4137-b87e-2444a62bdd87 at Spark> you write:
> >feeling cranky, are we, job? (accusing an antispam expert of spamming
> on a mailing list by having too long a .sig?)
> >but itâ??s true! anne runs the internet, and the rest of us (except for
> ICANN GAC representatives) all accept that.
> >to actually try to make a more substantial point, i am quite curious how
> the AUPs of carriers try to disallow
> >bandwidth resale while permitting
> >â?¢ cybercafe operations and other â??free wifi" (where internet service
> might be provided for patrons in a
> >hotel or cafe)
> >â?¢ wireless access point schemes where you make money or get credit for
> allowing use of your bandwidth (e.g. Fon)
> >â?¢ other proxy services that use bandwidth such as tor exit nodes and
> openvpn gateways
> To belabor the fairly obvious, residential and business service are
> different even if the technology is the same. For example, Comcast's
> residential TOS says:
> You agree that the Service(s) and the Xfinity Equipment will be used
> only for personal, residential, non-commercial purposes, unless
> otherwise specifically authorized by us in writing. You are prohibited
> from reselling or permitting another to resell the Service(s) in whole
> or in part, ... [ long list of other forbidden things ]
> Their business TOS is different. It says no third party use unless
> your agreement permits it, so I presume they have a coffee shop plan.
> (The agreements don't seem to be on their web site.) I'd also observe
> that coffee shop wifi isn't "resale" since it's free, it's an amenity.
> As to how do these guys think they'll get away with it, my guess is
> that they heard that "disruption" means ignoring laws and contracts
> and someone told them that is a good thing.
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