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Frontier rural FIOS & IPv6



My mom was cheap and only had pulse dialing in the 90s, it made using pagers difficult. Had to flip to tone after it dialed.



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On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:53 PM, Matt Hoppes <mattlists at rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
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> The telephone example:
> What IS the benefit of DTMF other than I can dial faster?  None. And I can use IVRs. Again - no impact to me as a telephone company.
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> As far as ipv6. Itâ??s been proven things â??load fasterâ?? because the ipv6 servers of the various websites are not as heavily loaded as the ipv4 variants.
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> All things equal - ipv6 doesnâ??t load faster. Thereâ??s literally no advantage to ipv6 other than â??Iâ??m out of ipv4 and need to continue to provide public routable Ips to my customers. â??
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>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:42 PM, Mike Leber <mleber at he.net> wrote:
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>> You are assuming the routing and transit relationships in IPv4 are the
>> same in IPv6.
>>
>> IPv4 has many many many suboptimal transit relationships where routing
>> is purposely suboptimal on the part of the networks in the path due to
>> competitive reasons.  One example of suboptimal routing is traffic not
>> being exchanged in a closer location where both networks exist and
>> instead being routed hundreds or thousands of miles out of the way.
>>
>> Customers don't get to influence the decisions of monopolies etc.
>>
>> Customers choose based on inertia, brand experience, and what options
>> are even available to them to get IPv6 vs IPv4.
>>
>> IPv6 has randomized some of these vendor relationships due to some
>> upstream networks not even implementing IPv6, meaning the downstream
>> networks were forced to make other choices.
>>
>>
>>> On 3/31/19 6:21 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>>> It is not possible for web pages to load faster over IPv6 than over IPv4.  All other factors being equal, IPv6 has higher overhead than IPv4 for the same payload throughput.  This means that it is physically impossible for IPv6 to be move payload bytes "faster" than IPv4 can move the same payload.
>>>
>>> In other words, IPv6 has a higher "packet tax" than IPv4.  Since you have no choice but to pay the "packet tax" the actual payload data flows more slowly.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces at nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ca By
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 31 March, 2019 18:53
>>>> To: Matt Hoppes
>>>> Cc: Aaron C. de Bruyn; NANOG mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: Frontier rural FIOS & IPv6
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 4:20 PM Matt Hoppes
>>>> <mattlists at rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Going to play devils advocate.
>>>>
>>>>   If frontier has a ton of ipv4 addresses, what benefit is there
>>>> to them in rolling out ipv6?
>>>>
>>>>   What benefit is there to you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I love xbox and xbox works better on ipv6,
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files/wed.general.palmer.xbox_.47
>>>> .pdf
>>>>
>>>> Also, webpages load faster , and i love fast web pages
>>>>
>>>> https://code.fb.com/networking-traffic/ipv6-it-s-time-to-get-on-
>>>> board/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.akamai.com/fr/fr/multimedia/documents/technical-
>>>> publication/a-case-for-faster-mobile-web-in-cellular-ipv6-
>>>> networks.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   On Mar 31, 2019, at 7:11 PM, C. A. Fillekes
>>>> <cfillekes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Still it's pretty darn good having real broadband on the
>>>> farm.  One thing at a time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       But, let's start thinking about ways to get Frontier up to
>>>> speed on the IPv6 thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 4:24 PM Aaron C. de Bruyn
>>>> <aaron at heyaaron.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>           You're not alone.
>>>>
>>>>           I talked with my local provider about 4 years ago and
>>>> they said "We will probably start looking into IPv6 next year".
>>>>           I talked with them last month and they said "Yeah,
>>>> everyone seems to be offering it.  I guess I'll have to start reading
>>>> how to implement it".
>>>>
>>>>           I'm sure 2045 will finally be the year of IPv6
>>>> everywhere.
>>>>
>>>>           -A
>>>>
>>>>           On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 7:36 AM C. A. Fillekes
>>>> <cfillekes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>               So by COB yesterday we now officially have FIOS
>>>> at our farm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>               Went from 3Mbps to around 30 measured average.
>>>> Yay.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>               It's a business account, Frontier.  But...still
>>>> no IPv6.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>               The new router's capable of it.  What's the hold
>>>> up?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>               Customer service's response is "We don't offer
>>>> that".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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