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Why the internal network delays, Gmail?

Im thankful Nate posted. Gmail isnt a small system that affects only a small
percentage of people worldwide, and therefore a perfect candidate for a mail-
specific list that many (and many nanoggers like me) arent part of, for lack of
additional bandwidth in life. 

However, gmail not working (similar to 8.8.8.8/.4.4 or 4.2.2.2 not working)
shouldnt be on a mail-only or dns-only ops list im not part of: when 8.8.8.8
doesnt work, the complaints appear as "is there a power failure at your datacentre?"
to "my website is down!" - same deal with gmail, it's that big.

While I cant say exactly what that cutoff line is for mail and dns issues
being postable to nanog or not, I definitely know gmail is pretty much the top
of the pile (for now).

Thanks Nate!

/kc


On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 05:31:59PM -0600, Nate Metheny said:
  >I was working within the limits of what I had available.
  >
  >I apologize if people on the list consider a network and systems
  >administrator reaching out to peers for assistance with a particular
  >problem that is clearly network related is inappropriate for a network
  >operations group list that may or may not have Google or Google affiliated
  >employees or contractors on it.
  >
  >I will use more discretion in the future.
  >
  >--
  >Sent from a phone. Please excuse the brevity of this message and any
  >typographical errors.
  >
  >On Aug 26, 2016 17:18, "Mark Foster" <blakjak at blakjak.net> wrote:
  >
  >> Hi Mel, There's another mailing list called 'mailop' which is probably
  >> more appropriate for email related problems, than NANOG.
  >>
  >> And in response to Nate:
  >>
  >> I was in contact with Google and after some convincing and detailed header
  >>> information, they acknowledged that they are having internal MX issues and
  >>> assure me that they will deal with the issue promptly.
  >>>
  >>> Initially they did not even acknowledge that there was a problem, so it
  >>> took several tiers of support people to finally see the issue.
  >>>
  >>> I look forward to the ongoing exchanges on the list.
  >>>
  >>
  >> Useful to know, but John is right - as cited, working through Google's
  >> support process, got somewhere.
  >> Further exchanges on NANOG are probably inappropriate.  A group like
  >> 'mailop' probably has a higher care factor, however.
  >>
  >> (I would also note that email delays that are demonstratably outside of
  >> your network (as headers will show) are very easily painted as something
  >> beyond your control, and the nature of email is very much 'best effort', so
  >> anyone playing the blame game needs a reality check. Just because email
  >> exchanges 'are often' near-instantaneous, does not mean they always will
  >> be.)
  >>
  >>
  >> Mark.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> On 27/08/2016 8:53 a.m., Mel Beckman wrote:
  >>
  >>> John,
  >>>
  >>> With all due respect, it's S.O.P. for Nanogen to ask the list if anyone
  >>> else is experiencing a particular problem with some carrier or another. So
  >>> Nate's question is totally appropriate for this list. I know I've solved
  >>> several problems by airing them here and getting insight from other list
  >>> members.
  >>>
  >>> -mel beckman
  >>>
  >>> *snip*
  >>

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Ken Chase - math at sizone.org Toronto Canada