On 19 Apr 2014, at 20:08, George William Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 18, 2014, at 9:10 PM, "Dobbins, Roland" <rdobbins at arbor.net> wrote: > >> You can 'call' it all you like - but people who actually want to keep their servers up and running don't put stateful firewalls in front of them, > > I don't know where you find ideas like this.