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DRAFT version of Federal "Justice" Shutdown Project



On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 06:08:48PM -0300, Juan wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:41:20 +0000 (UTC)
> jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> >  
> > On Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:51:37 PM PDT, Shawn K. Quinn
> > <skquinn at rushpost.com> wrote: 
> >  
> >  On 03/20/2018 12:23 AM, jim bell wrote:
> > > 'victimless crimes', such as ... illegal re-entry to America
> > 
> > >I agree with the other examples you cited, but I would not call
> > >illegal
> > (re-)immigration a victimless crime in all circumstances. I agree our
> > immigration laws are broken as currently written and enforced;
> > however, dealing with illegal aliens takes resources away from the
> > rest of us, especially given that they often do not pay the
> > appropriate amount of taxes back into the system compared to someone
> > here legally.
> > 
> > 
> > I agree that there are not always sharp demarcation lines between
> > victimless-crimes and crimes with a victim.  Further, there are
> > crimes with a few clear victims (murder, assault, robbery) and crimes
> > where the victimization is diffuse (counterfeiting, which arguably
> > victimizes anybody using a currency).
> 
> 
> 	the distinction is pretty sharp. Either there's a victim or
> 	not.

Thank you.


>   In the case of theft, murder and counterfeiting all have
> 	victims. Counterfeiting is just a more sophisticated version of
> 	theft. 

conterfeiting, aka fiat banking


> 	crossing the imaginy boudaries of the americunt nazi state or
> 	any other state is not a crime by any sane, let alone by any
> 	libertarian standard. 

The context of this that "right wingers" tend to miss is the other
pieces of the anarchist puzzle - actual libertarian rights to self
defence, association and contract, and the presumed outcomes these
fundaments of anarchism would generate.

In a world of chaotic descent, is "more government" the solution?

Well for many it's the only solution they know, and there's few
examples of "true" libertarian/ anarchist societies we can point at.