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Update your Tors - Tor security advisory: "relay early" traffic confirmation attack

Dnia poniedziaÅ?ek, 11 sierpnia 2014 17:24:08 Juan pisze:
> On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 11:13:10 +0200
> 
> rysiek <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Dnia wtorek, 5 sierpnia 2014 20:31:26 Juan pisze:
> > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 00:19:17 +0200
> > > 
> > > rysiek <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > One of the things I have learnt during the years of my brushing
> > > > shoulders with Teh Gummint (public consultations, conferences,
> > > > etc) is that a huge bureaucracy like a government is bound to have
> > > > conflicting interests and fund/take conflicting actions.
> > > > 
> > > > Governments are not homogeneous, to say the least.
> > > 	
> > > 	Governments are pretty homoneneous criminal organizations.
> > > 
> > > The fact that sometimes different government factions within a
> > > 
> > > 	given government quarrel a bit over the spoils is basically
> > > 	meaningless, from the point of view of government victims at
> > > 	least.
> > 
> > Well, obviously you haven't much experience with how governments look
> > from the inside.
> 
> 	...but I do have some inside information about the 'legal
> 	system', having been raised by lawyers =P
> 
> > Ministries and departments have different and conflicting policies
> > regarding some of their overlapping responsibilities, and the flow of
> > information is a real problem. Add to that some personal animosities
> > and ambitions and you get a clusterfuck of an organisation.
> 
> 	Yes, all of that is true. I am aware of the fact that there are
> 	different factions inside a government. I did explicitly
> 	mention that. It doesn't affect my argument(s) though.
> 
> > A clusterfuck leaving quite a lot of space for projects like Tor.
> 
> 	Sorry, but that's circular.
> 
> 	You *assume* tor isn't designed as a tool to further imperial
> 	american policies and you arrive at the conclusion that there
> 	are some 'good guys' in the US government.

No, I didn't say there are any "good guys" (nor that there aren't any, mind 
you). But even between a clusterfuck of "bad guys", each dragging in their own 
direction, simply *because* they are dragging all in different directions, 
there might be space for some neat projects.

Think of it as a hack on the system.

Guy A needs total secrecy of communication for their moles in third world 
countries and finances a tool that incidentally is a huge PITA for guy B, that 
tries to surveil everything and everybody.

Guy A and guy B are far enough from each other 
(system/hierarchy/department/competence-wise) that they do not co-operate, nor 
even know of each other too well. Or: they know of each other and are in a 
state of "cold war" for resources or ambition-related aims.

-- 
Pozdr
rysiek
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