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--On Monday, September 30, 2013 7:46 PM -0700 coderman <[email protected]> 

> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 7:38 PM, Juan Garofalo <[email protected]> wrote:
>> ...
>>         So, the question should be : apart from the anglo-americans, and
>> perhaps the chinese, is there any other cyber police state out there?
> russia, of course. and ...
> perhaps the question you need to ask is who isn't a cyber police state?
> even the third world is buying tools from the first for this purpose...

	I guess you're right in a way, but, is there a european equivalent to the 
utah datacenter for instance? Does japan have its own (smaller but still 
substantial) version of it? China? Even russia?

	I understand that european governments expect the ISPs to spy on their 
customers ('data retention laws') which seems to suggest that 
they[governments] are not doing it themselves?

	wikipedia, lousy source, but still

	"On 2 March 2010, the Federal Constitutional Court of Germany ruled the 
law unconstitutional as a violation of the guarantee of the secrecy of 
correspondence.[18] As such, the directive is not currently implemented in