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[Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"

About time this "informed speculation" happened, long overdue.
Hope it turns out to be that and more:

For those not on the cryptography list by Perry Metzger, the
thread so far:


Heavily moderated, no bullshit except of the highest quality of informed

At 08:08 AM 9/6/2013, you wrote:

>Plants in the IETF? Sounds plausible.
>----- Forwarded message from Phillip Hallam-Baker <[email protected]> -----
>Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 16:33:58 -0400
>From: Phillip Hallam-Baker <[email protected]>
>To: "Perry E. Metzger" <[email protected]>
>Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Cryptography] Opening Discussion: Speculation on "BULLRUN"
>On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Perry E. Metzger <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I would like to open the floor to *informed speculation* about
> >
> > Informed speculation means intelligent, technical ideas about what
> > has been done. It does not mean wild conspiracy theories and the
> > like. I will be instructing the moderators (yes, I have help these
> > days) to ruthlessly prune inappropriate material.
> >
> > At the same time, I will repeat that reasonably informed
> > technical speculation is appropriate, as is any solid information
> > available.
>Â? The NSA spends $250m a year on a program which, among other goals, works
>with technology companies to "covertly influence" their product designs.
>I believe this confirms my theory that the NSA has plants in the IETF to
>discourage moves to strong crypto.
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