Re: Adhesion: Silane and gum

From: Katharine Thayer ^lt;>
Date: 03/04/05-08:17:58 AM Z
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P.S. Whoever said that silane might be difficult to remove from glass
wasn't just woofin'. I've spent an hour and five razor blades scraping
away at it and there are still places where it just won't come off. If
this were just regular window glass, I'd toss it, but this is non-glare
glass that I paid $8.75 a sheet for, so I've got to keep at it. (If
anyone's interested, the etched side of the glass is the side the print
is viewed from; the gum is printed on the back (non-etched) side of the

Katharine Thayer wrote:
> I've obtained some silane which I hope is the same silane mentioned
> below (Martin Mueller's post from Feb 5). The supplier calls it gamma
> aminopropyltriethoxysilane and it's what they sent me when I asked for
> 3-aminopropyltriethoxysilane. I've seen the two names used
> interchangeably and they have the same CAS number, so I'm hoping it's
> the same substance. (Sorry, my knowledge of organic nomenclature is far
> in the past so I can't tell by looking at the names why they would be
> the same thing).
> At any rate I've applied this silane, mixed 1% with acetone, to two
> carefully cleaned and de-greased and alcohol-treated (thanks Galina!)
> sheets of glass, left them overnight, and printed gum on them this
> morning. Some observations:
> (1) The wet gum coating didn't stick as well to the silane-treated glass
> as it does to plain glass, nor did it brush as smoothly as it would on
> plain glass; it seemed to be phobic to the silane.
> (2) The exposed and hardened gum frilled off the silane-treated glass
> exactly as it would from plain untreated glass.
> (3) An added annoyance: Dichromate stains along the edges of the
> brushmarks, that simply will not clear with potassium metabisulfite
> treatment.
> However, now that I have re-read Martin's post one more time, I think I
> need to try it again, because I didn't apply it exactly as he
> recommends. I misremembered the directions and applied the material
> with a tissue and then simply left it to evaporate, instead of rubbing
> it til it evaporated, as instructed.
> So I will try it again, following the instructions precisely, but this
> can't happen until there is another nice day, (it's raining today)
> because I have to work outside with the acetone.
> Katharine Thayer
> MARTINM wrote:
> >
> > Another approach consists of using silane for the subbing: rub the
> > (clean/degreased!) glass plate with a 1% freshly prepared acetone solution
> > of 3-aminopropyltriethoxysilane over one or both sides with a tissue for
> > about 1 min until the solvent has evaporated. Allow the glass plate to stand
> > for several hours to ensure reaction of the silane. On that layer your gum
> > solution will firmly adhere.
> >
> > Some time ago (maybe in 2002 or 2003 - take a look at the archives) Philippe
> > Monnoyer recommended incorporating silane into a gelatin solution. It may be
> > a good idea to add a small amount of that above mentioned silane mixture to
> > your gum solution.
> >
> > Martin
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