Re: polivinyl alcohol vs. gelatin sizing

From: Giovanni Di Mase ^lt;[email protected]>
Date: 07/30/05-05:12:23 AM Z
Message-id: <BAY105-DAV15F9873613993451F97BACBFC10@phx.gbl>

Thanks.
How did you made sure for the proportions using a spoon?
Did you dilute using hot water?
Giovanni

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Brubaker" <jack@jackbrubaker.com>
To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: polivinyl alcohol vs. gelatin sizing

> Giovanni,
>
> I have not used the Elmers glue but had some very nice success with what
is
> marketed as Tite-Bond II (that's a roman numeral 2) in the states. It is a
> very waterproof glue meant for gluing wood. I used it diluted with 10
parts
> water. At least one of the prints I showed a APIS was sized this way. It's
> limitation is that the glue is not white or clear but has a yellow color
> that gives the sized paper a slight "buff" color. It is just off white a
> little, not so much yellow but a slight amber color. It wouldn't be right
> for everything but is very subtle for work that can tolerate a warm white.
>
> Jack
>
> > From: Giovanni Di Mase <gdimase@hotmail.com>
> > Reply-To: alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca
> > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:52:29 -0400
> > To: alt-photo-process-l@skyway.usask.ca
> > Subject: Re: polivinyl alcohol vs. gelatin sizing
> >
> > I tried also under Kevin Sullivan suggrestions.
> >
> > I am trying to produce very large prints (1 mt x .80 cms) and obviously
the
> > most difficult part is to get an even coating.
> >
> > In my opinion, it is a little bit messy to use Elmer's glue on the exact
> > proportion so I went and found the chemical polyvinyl alcohol.
> >
> > I tested and works but needs to be tuned.
> >
> > I also did some search over the Internet and found interesting articles
at:
> >
> >
http://www.celvol.com/index/productsmarkets_index/products_markets_pvoh/pvoh_a
> > pplication/pvoh_application_paper.htm
> >
> > http://www.chemvip.com/SolutionPreparationGuidelines.pdf
> >
> > Now Elmer's glue is soluble in water and this issue is being cover at
> >
> > http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4110494.html
> >
> > I also found that several companies are working on the basis of this
> > polyvinyl alcohol for the paper and inkjet industries.
> >
> > I wonder if anybody in the list has made any further research.
> >
> > In my opinion it covers very well the gelatin and paper sizing
requirements
> > for alternative process.
> >
> > Giovanni
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christina Z. Anderson" <zphoto@montana.net>
> > To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: polivinyl alcohol vs. gelatin sizing
> >
> >
> >> Giovanni,
> >> Kevin Sullivan of B and S fame told me he regularly uses Elmer's Glue
in a
> >> 1:8-10 dilution for a size. I have not tried it; if you try it please
> > tell
> >> the list how you like it.
> >> Chris
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Giovanni Di Mase" <gdimase@hotmail.com>
> >> To: <alt-photo-process-l@sask.usask.ca>
> >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 8:19 AM
> >> Subject: polivinyl alcohol vs. gelatin sizing
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi list,
> >>> As anybody worked or tested the polivynil acetate or alcohol (it is
> > found
> >>> in Elkmer glu) as a substitution to gelatin for sizing paper?
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Giovanni
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
Received on Sat Jul 30 05:13:27 2005

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