Re: pyro developed negs for cyanotype?

From: Sandy King ^lt;[email protected]>
Date: 10/31/04-06:08:22 PM Z
Message-id: <a060204f8bdab2ce5cfd5@[]>


The long and the short of it is that negatives that are well-exposed
and developed in a pyro staining developer should not print any
slower than negatives that are well-exposed and developed in
non-staining developers.

I strongly suspect that the problem with the Fujifilm is a UV coating
of the type that TMAX-100 has. This coating, as others have
mentioned, amounts to UV filtration of about log 1.00, or more than
three full stops of exposure.

I have never used Fujifilm but know of no reason other than UV
filtration that could explain such long printing times for negatives
that look good to the eye. However, I would be happy to test the film
by taking a densitometer reading in UV mode if you could manage to
get the gentleman in question send me one of his scratch negatives.


>Thanks, Loris. We used the classic cyanotype formula. The white
>vinegar bath did occur to me, along with diluting the sensitizer
>itself at one point. The lights themselves get warm, but the
>lightboxes had good fans that also kept the lights relatively cool
>(not hot), and the other students were using the same lightboxes and
>having no problems with longer than normal exposures. He also tried
>the sun. So I'm thinking it's a combination of the Pyro and,
>perhaps, Fuji b&w has this same UV blocking layer, like TMAX?
>On Oct 31, 2004, at 6:25 PM, Loris Medici wrote:
>>Hi Diana,
>>Don't know if you have already tried what I'm suggesting below but
>>will write anyway (please forgive if you already know and/or tried
>>these workarounds...)
>>What formula were you using (classic or new cyanotype)? Have you
>>tried acid development (white vinegar, 5% glacial acetic acid, 5% -
>>or stronger - citric acid)? If the negatives are too contrasty for
>>straight cyanotype formula (old or new doesn't matter) developing
>>in acidic water may decrease the contrast of the paper (even you
>>can try to add some acid to the coating solution... others: does
>>this sound like a good solution?)
>>If the problem isn't solely based on some sort of UV-blocking film
>>base, acid development may certainly help - along with prolonged
>>exposure times of course. But if the contrast is too high, even
>>this modification may not help. Another point that comes to my
>>mind: maybe you have to try intermittent exposures if you're using
>>flourescent tubes. If they get too hot, their UV output is greatly
>>reduced - which means that increasing the exposure times by 2 stops
>>may not translate to a "real/practical" 2 stops increase...
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Bloomfield"
>>To: <>
>>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 12:27 AM
>>Subject: Re: pyro developed negs for cyanotype?
>>>Thanks, Joe. This was Fujifilm, but I've never used b&w 4x5
>>>Fujifilm, so I don't know how new it is, or whether it is
>>>suffering the same fate with the film base as TMAX 100, but it
>>>sounds like it. A 4 hour exposure would have been about right, I
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