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[ale] for all you systemd haters...

On 2018-02-16 13:15, Jim Kinney wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-02-16 at 13:00 -0800, Alex Carver via Ale wrote:
>> I think if systemd had been spearheaded by anyone other than
>> Pottering
>> it probably would have gotten an improved reputation or at minimum
>> would
>> have had an opportunity to demonstrate itself and sell the idea on
>> the
>> merits.  There are plenty of people that improve the things we use
>> but
>> are not even remotely as sour as Pottering.  For systemd, Pottering's
>> previous actions with Pulse Audio basically guaranteed that he burned
>> the bridge before he crossed it.
>> __________________________
> And that sentiment is a real shame. I've managed to mellow (slightly)
> as I've become older. I don't instantly start waving the pitchfork and
> torch when things don't go my way. But I do keep them close :-)
> At the time, pulseaudio was a difficult project, a needed project as an
> attempt to create a Linux-wide workable audio system. Several people
> worked on it and made it happen. Far fewer people pitch pull requests
> that complain about things not being the way _they_ want it. I found
> the combo of pulsaudio and esd quite workable especially during the
> thin client project in 2006-2007. It just worked. Did it work 2 years
> earlier? Um, not well. 
> Things improve. Sometimes people do to.  

Sometimes people improve but I think that Pottering has shown he won't
(there's plenty of very recent messages from him where his overall tone
suggest this).

If you believe you have a great product, go out and sell the product.
However, if you try to sell the product by yelling at potential clients
that they're idiots if they don't buy it, your sales will not be as
large as they would otherwise.  Pottering may have a great product but
he's an awful salesman (and not such a wonderful person).