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good analysis. Yes there are MANY things that just a $$ view doesn't get in
the economics equation. What is the in-place value of clean air, clean
water, etc. ? How much is a child "worth" when killed by armed conflict that
has underlying energy issues? I can't even begin to quantify these things
but I know they are there.

Other factors such as the continued use of an older, higher consumption
vehicle vs. total consumption of creating a new one plus reclamation of the
old one. I wish I had these numbers so I could make better choices.

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Tom Freeman
<tfreeman at intel.digichem.net>wrote:

> Well, the majority of the race seems to lack the desire/ability/
> education (pick one or more blame points, or add one) to make much of
> any choice except on the basis of upfront cost.
> How often have you had the conversation with somebody about to, or
> justifying the purchase of a SUV where the _only_ cost that they
> consider is the cost of the fuel to drive it somewhere? Funny thing is,
> fuel cost is a fraction of the total cost of driving, yet the cost of
> fuel drives the whole dynamic because it is visible.
> My Mazda 6 is getting about 30 mpg overall at the moment. With fuel
> running about $2.70/gal, that works out to about $0.09/mile. Capital
> cost happens to run about, wait for it, $0.09/mile (I was able to pay
> cash - it will be higher if you have to finance). I haven't figured the
> maintanace on this car, but the last one worked out to perhaps $0.06/
> mile over 270,000 miles. Add in insurance at something near or better
> than $0.05/mile (in my case - YMWV), and you might see the cost of
> driving is at least three, probably four times the cost of fuel -
> assuming that all the costs are accounted for. Plus the cost of
> maintaining the roadway is almost impossible to account for here, as
> there are multiple sources of funding (including but not limited to the
> road use tax on fuel.)
> What I'm trying to suggest is that "price saver" mentality isn't the
> only force in play here. There is also the hiding of costs through
> various mechanisms The bright people around here can probably add two
> or three more cost hiding/transfer mechanisms in further discussion.
> Jim - I do so agree that we need to own up to our participation in the
> whole process, and not foist the responisiblity off onto somebody or
> something else. My driving habits drive the need for more oil wells,
> oil wells will leak/spill oil even if handled with the highest degree
> of professionalism, so part of the "fault" of the catastrophe in the
> gulf is mine. The owners/stockholders of record at the time of the
> blowout have a larger, more direct responsibility since they own the
> entity which acted in a less than perfectly professional manner. (If
> you want the profits - you should take responsibilty for the oopes
> also. IMHO)
> On 06/18/2010 11:25:55 AM, Jim Kinney wrote:
> > I am willing to pay MUCH more on my plane tickets if the extra $$
> > goes
> > to
> > improve service and reliability and safety, etc.
> >
> > We have developed too much of the walmart mentality for my tastes.
> > cut
> > costs
> > to save $ with no regard for the quality (or lack) or damage it does
> > to the
> > surrounding.
> >
> > We _so_ need to start evaluating our own individual participation in
> > the
> > process around us.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Greg Freemyer
> > <greg.freemyer at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Damn,
> > >
> > > I guess we should blame the passengers if a commercial airplane
> > > crashes due to poor maintenance and pilot error.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > On 6/18/10, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/2010/05/31/mike-luckovich-
> > june-1-cartoon/
> > > >
> <<snip for brevity>>
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James P. Kinney III
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