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[ale] Anyone here use Zope?



Here's my 2 cents...

The nice thing about a java based implementation is the number of tools
available (Open and commercial). Based on what you're needs are you can go
all the way with J2EE implementation ala JBoss/WebLogic/9iAS/websphere/etc
or scale it down to running tomcat standalone. All the major IDEs/editors
i've seen (eg. macromedia, vi, emacs) have nice support for JSP. You can
implement more heavily on the coding aspect (servlets) or dummy it down with
JSP. You're business logic can be implemented with EJBs or just plain
vanilla JBs.

When faced with a web project I tend to gravitate to the Java world due to
the flexibility of tools and methodologies. At work, we have projects
written in ColdFusion, PHP and ASP. The limitations of all are starting to
become apparent and so there is a push to convert all of this onto Oracle
9iAS for the more complicated stuff, and an apache web server with tomcat
for the simpler stuff. (as an aside, the friendly neighborhood *nix guy and
I have been pushing really hard to convert all servers to *nix/*BSD)

Also take a look at the Apache Jakarta projects. If you're looking for a
templating engine I heartily recommend velocity. Very nice seperation of
logic from presentation.

-Arafat

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Wells [mailto:jbwellsiv at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 2:05 PM
> To: roncordell at attbi.com
> Cc: Ale
> Subject: Re: [ale] Anyone here use Zope?
>
>
> This is what I'm looking for:
>
> Ability to interface with RDBMS.
> Speed. speed. speed.
> It'd be nice to separate bus logic from presentation
> logic, but not absolutely necessary.
> Capable of being distributed across multiple servers.
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> --- Ron Cordell <roncordell at attbi.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday 14 March 2002 12:38 pm, John Wells
> > wrote:
> > > Michael,
> > >
> > > Thanks for the detailed input on this matter.
> > I've
> > > been following along because I've heard so many
> > good
> > > things about Zope recently...
> > >
> > > If Zope isn't quite there yet for large scale web
> > > apps, what is?  I'm getting ready to begin work on
> > a
> > > project that I would consider large scale, and I'm
> > > charged with identifying the tools we'll use.
> > I've
> > > been examining both PHP and JBoss/Tomcat
> > solutions.
> > > What else is out there?  What would you recommend?
> > >
> >
> > Sorry to just jump in here... but here I go anyway
> > ;-)
> >
> > It's an interesting question, and depends a great
> > deal on what you mean by
> > large scale web apps. That is to say, what kinds of
> > databases will your
> > project require? What other datasources will you
> > need to access? Will data
> > access require transaction support, or distributed
> > transaction support? Do
> > you need personalization, user tracking, metrics,
> > reporting... the list goes
> > on. Other aspects to consider are content
> > management; how much of the content
> > on the site is dynamic versus static, how will it be
> > maintained, what does
> > the development/qa/staging/producton cycle need to
> > look like, etc. Not to be
> > ignored, who is doing the development, what are
> > their skills and experience?
> > I would find it very difficult to answer your not so
> > simple question unless I
> > knew more about those items, and more :-)
> >
> > -ronc
> >
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